Zulema Pastenes, the widow of Lori's brother, Alex Cox, finished up her testimony on April 18 before Colby Ryan, Vallow's son, took the stand.
Smith continues to ask questions about the event. Zulema is having trouble recalling some info.
ZP says Chad told her she was Lori’s daughter in another life but she had been raped, killed and dismembered by the Mennonites.ZP tells Smith about the "demon" in Charles that Lori talked about. Two new exhibits about to be entered. Photo of Zulema with Melanie Gibb and Sarena Sharpe. Another photo of the three women standing back to back holding their fingers out like guns.
ZP: Lori said Charles moved to Texas because there were doctors there who help keep bodies that are possessed alive. Lori Vallow just got seated. She has a black blazer and white pants with black pattern on them. Jim Archibald pours her a cup of water. She’s talking to both attorneys. Duncan: We were working with LE in Idaho to find JJ and Tylee but at the same time trying to find evidence for Charles’ case.PowerPoint begins with Charles’ cell phone data.But we know Charles didn’t write this letter...
Charles told Lori he would send this letter to Tammy Daybell, if she did not respond. He found this letter claiming to be from him on 6/29/19, 12 days before he was killed. Charles also contacted Chad Daybell via email. He said he’s not writing a book, "it’s preposterous." He also asks if Chad’s wife knows if he has videos of Lori dancing. She sent them to Chad in January of 2019.
Through searching the iCloud account, he was able to find a Lollytime@iCloud account. It has two phone numbers listed. 480 and 602 are the area codes. On 7/26/19, Chad texted Lori that he figured out who he feels like. "I’m a grownup version of Harry Potter who has to life with the Dudleys in his little space…"On 7/30/19 - Chad texted Lori that Tammy’s death percentage had fallen steadily since Hiplos left. "It is encouraging.""Network name is anti-laman pw is 2many kids.Duncan also looked at the phone if Zulema Pastenes, he confirms with Blake.New exhibit being reviewed by Duncan before admittance.
The State just said it intends to call Zulema Pastenes but there’s an issue that came up. A possible criminal history. Prosecutors did find a 1990s criminal conviction.Spencer Rammell says Pastenes has counsel with her. The judgement was set aside in 2015 in regards to this old conviction.Per Maricopa County court records, Pastenes plead guilty to dangerous drug possession in 1997 and another drug possession charge in 1998.RS says Pastenes has asked that Garrett Smith sit in court on her behalf.
Back in court. Lori Vallow is seated with John Thomas. She has her glasses off for the first time and is speaking to Thomas as he goes over notes.Jury is seated and John Thomas will continue cross examination of Gibb. Throughout testimonies, we now know how instrumental Ryan Pillar of @GilbertPolice was to this investigation.
The way Lori allegedly told Gibb about zombies was that a dark spirit could be pushed out of a body, or destroyed. Not in the way of a horror film. For nearly two years, Charles’ family pounded the table saying Alex didn’t shoot him in self defense. And if Charles did hit Alex with a bat in the back of his head, the injury would be severe.Just saw Lori stand up as we are in a brief break. She is smiling at John Thomas and even laughing a bit.Judge tells the jury that during trial evidence will be shown regarding other acts allegedly committed by the defendant outside of this case.Det.
Duncan reminds the jury police don’t touch the body. The medical examiner arrives and does a brief inspection of the body. Even if the shooting is determined to be done in self defense, Duncan says CPD will label it a homicide. On Tammy’s death: Gibb says she asked Lori if she knew that she died. Gibb recalls Lori had found out through some other people.
Thomas argues that the state received statements from Gibb that she testified to and indicated that she met with prosecution and the prosecution did not turn over oral statements.Blake says there’s a different interpretation of certain Idaho law by the defense than it’s intended by the rule. Thomas asks Gibb about meeting Chad a year or two before meeting Lori and how she and LV became fast friends in 2018.Thomas asks what was it like when Gibb and Vallow met.Thomas says obviously kids weren’t at the temple or lunch. Gibb clarifies that she would go to Lori’s house after lunch or temple.
Thomas on Lori’s alleged special mission on earth: You indicated that was biblically referenced, and Lori was the head of this 144K? Were you brought into this group?Thomas asks about the "casting out of devils": You did this with Lori, correct?Gibb: It felt unusual but innocent to me.Gibb says not that she’s aware of.Gibb: I did, somewhat but not completely.Lori swivels back and forth slowly in her chair, looking at Melanie.Thomas asks what does a casting look like.
Lori Vallow is wearing a gray blazer, speaking to Jim Archibald. He nods his head. Lindsey Blake is here today and walked over to the defense to talk. Blake asks about a trip MG and LV took to Utah. The group consisted of about 5-6 women. MG can’t recall their names. The destination was St. George, UT for a conference.
Blake confirms with Gibb that Lori was married at the time to Charles Vallow and that Chad was married to Tammy Daybell, both spouses still alive at the time. But Gibb says Chad knew about this idea a lot more than Lori. I see Lori turn to John Thomas and shake her head. She’s taking notes. Gibb recalls that weekend in AZ, Lori told her that she and Chad and met up in the LDS temple, specifically in a waiting room and that Moroni, and possibly Jesus Christ was there. Gibb says Vallow told her that she and Chad were "sealed"together.
One juror stared briefly at Lori with his eyes wide open before looking back to Gibb. This is a lot for this jury to absorb I’d assume.Gibb recalls being at her house in January of 2019 and says Lori came inside from the backyard, telling Gibb that Chad believed Charles was now a dark spirit.Gibb says Lori told her she saw Charles and JJ had been in a car accident in this dream and that they would not come home by January 31st 2019.
Cox was Lori’s brother and considered her protector. We’ve covered this shooting extensively. He claimed Charles hit him in the head with Tylee’s bat before Alex shot him in self defense.Gibb says she thinks he was outside waiting in the car. But she doesn’t recall much.Blake: Prior to Charles’ death, did Lori and Chad stay in contact?
Gibb says she did not see Tylee. She asked about her and says Lori told her Tylee was at BYU Idaho with friends.Gibb says Lori didn’t talk about her much and put her stuff in storage.Blake: did she indicate what she made observations of JJ? Recording: Gibb tells Lori she wants to ask about JJ and Kay. She says she’s wondering what happened.We have both Lori and Melanie in the same courtroom listening to their conversation from nearly four years ago.Melanie asks why Lori told police JJ was with her."I’m not telling anybody where he is so I can keep him as safe as possible."She says Alex told her she doesn’t wanna know and JJ "could not be found."Lori: I will do whatever the Lord needs me to do.
Another photo is published and we see Chad and Lori walking into Hobby Lobby. Powell says they were holding hands. Powell obtained a search warrant for prescription records. Rawlings asks if he can verify if someone has prescription for a controlled substance. He can.Fluoxetine is an antidepressant. Tramadol is an opioid for pain relief.Defense objected a few times, saying Powell doesn’t have the medical knowledge to talk about this. Overruled.37B shows the backhoe digging up the grave.Another photo shows the casket put into a vehicle for transport.
Thomas asks if Powell heard the conversation between Chad and Lori at Cafe Rio. He says no. He sat near them with a table in between the parties. Not a busy day. The prosecution is asking for some rescheduling. They would like to end earlier today and not have trial on Monday.Jury is seated. John Thomas back at the podium for cross examination of Det. Hermosillo.
Thomas is asking about specific boards that police found in Daybell’s shed at the crime scene and if RH looked for boards during the 11/27/19 search. RH says they weren’t looking for boards back then. Chad and Alex, who did you call? RH: LT. Ron Ball Wood: Then what did you do after the call? RH: We went to LV’s apt, Melani Boudreaux’s apt and Alex Cox’s apt and no answer.
The sifter used by law enforcement helped scoop out Tylee’s remains near the fire pit, charred bones and burnt flesh. The evidence would be photographed and logged.RH asked if any evidence suggested Tylee was alive after 9/8/19. He says no. Rammell is asking about the Telmate system used for inmates at Madison County jail. Willmore has overseen this system for the last six years.
Thumb drive of a phone call between Lori and Chad from 6/9/20. Willmore confirms he’s reviewed this USB device and call. He’s reviewed a number of calls between them.Lori is watching the prosecution and defense talk to Judge Boyce. The jury looked at devastating images, some holding back tears as we saw the shallow graves the kids were buried in and what was left of Tylee’s remains.
Judge Boyce ends cross-examination for the day as court will be adjourned. Thomas can continue tomorrow. As we rose for the jury, Vallow still crossed her arms and looked down, clearly upset about what’s transpired today.Jury will now be brought back in for additional evidence. Here are the people shown as key figures: Lori Vallow Charles Vallow Alex Cox Tylee Ryan JJ Vallow Chad Daybell Tammy Daybell Melani Pawlowski.We are shown a timeline for "pre-investigation." 7/11/19 Charles dies 9/3/19 Lori, Alex, JJ & Tylee move to Rexburg 9/8/19 last proof of life for Tylee 9/22/19 last proof of life for JJ 10/2/19 Brandon Boudreaux is shot at 10/9/19 Tammy is shot at 10/19/19 Tammy dies.
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