“I’m so tired of having to fight for little kids because they just want to be included,” Van Ness told Shepard at one point.
“Do I wish that the trans woman athlete had access and could play and follow her dream? I do,” Shepard said at one point during the interview. “Will I elevate her rights over women? We’re pretending that women aren’t the ultimate marginalized class throughout history.”
At various points during the uncomfortable conversation, Van Ness told Shepard, “I feel like I’m talking to my dad” and “I‘m not calling you a transphobe. You can not be transphobic and still have thoughts that espouse trans misogyny and espouse transphobic ideologies and beliefs.” “This whole notion that to be critical or to question, you’re seeing the whiplash reaction to that,” the host added later, a statement which seemed to sum up his overall stance. “To even question it makes you an enemy. I don’t think that’s the way forward.”
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