SPOILER ALERT: This interview contains spoilers for Episodes 1 and 2 of “Barry” Season 4, now streaming on HBO. If you thought there was no hope left for Barry Berkman, you’re wro…
If you thought there was no hope left for Barry Berkman, you’re wrong. He’s still on the path to finding what he’s searching for — because he’s no longer searching for redemption.
He doesn’t understand what he did wrong. It’s kind of like your dad just turned you in to the police. He’s in a lot of denial throughout the season, and then as the two people he really holds onto — Cousineau and Sally — ostracize him, he becomes a feral animal. He gets really angry. It spins out, and he’s just left with himself.
He’s saying something that he said to him in Season 3, when they were sitting on the couch and he says, “I love you, Mr. Cousineau. Do you love me?” And the threat is, I’ll kill your grandson if you don’t say this. Now Cousineau is in a safer place to say what he wanted to say, which is, “I got you. You’re in prison.”
There’s a way you could take it where Barry is just telling Fuches what he wants to hear so he’ll like him. Or Barry is genuinely saying, “Man, if I had never tried to quit drinking, we would still be friends, because all we did was go drinking together. But you’re right. I shouldn’t quit drinking. Let’s have a drink and be friends.”
Sarah and I talked about it a bit, and I do think she couldn’t help herself. Barry calls it: “Why did you come here? Why aren’t you leaving?” She has to admit it to herself. And then she takes the phone away, which was Sarah’s choice, which I really liked. It gets such a massive response from Barry, of hope. He was really surprised by that, and then it becomes his new narrative in his head.
Yeah. He’s not that bright. He’s very surface, like, “That’s all I needed to do? OK! I can do whatever I want now. As long as I make you feel like that, great!”
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